Talk:Eid al-Adha/Archive 2

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Cleanup lang tag

@OwenBlacker: I wonder if you explain what it would be done for Eid al-Adha about the Cleanup lang tag you inserted it. The main problem is related to Other names section, Am I right? Regards.Saff V. (talk) 07:50, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

@Saff V.: Yes, mainly the Other names section. All the pieces of text that aren't in English — the transliterations like Bakrā Īd and the untagged text in other scripts, like لوی اختر and عيد. But also the Arabic words later in the article, like takbir, which are currently only italicised. The instructions at Template:Lang/doc § Syntax and usage should explain everything, but {{ping}} me again if you have further questions. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 09:54, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you to guide me, I give it try as well as i think the section is not vital and shold be remove. So I open RFC.Saff V. (talk) 12:30, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

@OwenBlacker: I have edited the section, does it look better right now? Saff V. (talk) 07:36, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

@Saff V.: Definitely better, but it's better to leave in the transliterations too; I've added a few back in — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 19:32, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

@OwenBlacker: thanks, do you mean something is like this:īd-ul-azhā? Saff V. (talk) 05:45, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

@Saff V.: Yes, precisely so. Indeed that example is one I added yesterday: {{lang|hi|ईद-उल-अज़हा}} ({{lang|hi-Latn|īd-ul-azhā}}, 'the Feast of goat') → ईद-उल-अज़हा (īd-ul-azhā, 'the Feast of goat') — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 12:50, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

@OwenBlacker: Unfortunately, your suggestion code did not work and I don't know why.Anyway I did my best,Now it is clear every non-english word means what, except two these words, Tabaski or Tobaski in Senegal and Odún Iléyá in Nigeria, can I pick up the tag?Saff V. (talk) 08:30, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

@Saff V.: You've misunderstood the purpose of the tag. If you look at {{lang|language code|text}}, you'll see that language code should be an IETF language tag, describing what language text is in.

So if you look at my edit yesterday, you can see that the page already had {{lang|de|Opferfest}}, saying that the word Opferfest is in German (de) and I added {{lang|yo|Odún Iléyá}}, which says that the words Odún Iléyá are in Yoruba (yo). Lower down the page, next to the existing {{lang|hi|ईद-उल-अज़हा}} (which says the string ईद-उल-अज़हा is in Hindi, hi), I added {{lang|hi-Latn|īd-ul-azhā}}; this says that the string īd-ul-azhā is in Hindi (hi) but in the Latin script (Latn). So you couldn't just use my text string over and over; that's not what it's for.

What you need to do is look at the remaining strings in Perso-Arabic script (mainly in the section § Etymology) and add the Latin-script transliteration. So like how the Semitic root عيد is linked with {{wikt-lang|ar|عيد}} and transliterated with {{lang|ar-Latn|ʿīd}}, you should do the same for the remaining Arabic and Farsi strings in that section before the Cleanup tag can be removed. You might find it useful to read the template documentation for Template:Lang. (If you think there are parts that are still unclear in that documentation, please do let me know and I can improve the documentation 😊)

I've also reverted your subsequent edits, as you've added incorrect glosses, due to our misunderstanding here — the German Opferfest doesn't mean the Feast of goat, as you added (for example); Opfer means sacrifice, as is already implied by the existing wording.

Does that all make sense? — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 12:28, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

@OwenBlacker: Thanks for extensive explanation. I checked your edit but I did not consider this code {{lang|de|Opferfest}}, says that the word Opferfest is in German. Anyway, I try to read your comment carefully and give it try again. I wonder if you review my edit. Regards!Saff V. (talk) 06:59, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

@Saff V.: No problem; I'm glad it was useful. I'm not sure what you mean about Opferfest, though. Yes, you've done exactly what I was wanting to see; thank you. In reviewing your edits, I noticed a mistake I had made, so I've fixed my mistake too. Thank you 😊 — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 21:07, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

@OwenBlacker: I really appreciated your patience. Is it time to pick up the tag?Saff V. (talk) 04:47, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

@Saff V.: Done — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 09:56, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Bakri Id

Bakri Id is the common English name for this sacrifice day in India,[1] India has over 10 crore Muslims, so this name should be prominent in this article! Yogesh Khandke (talk) 04:14, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

I added "Bakrid" (common in English) to the lead. Khestwol (talk) 13:19, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

it's over 20 crore now. 98.4.103.219 (talk) 13:59, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Ibrahim/Abraham Abraham/Ibrahim

Lines 4 and 5 read: 'It honours the willingness of Ibrahim (Abraham) to sacrifice his son Ismael'.

Might I suggest changing this to: 'It honours the willingness of Abraham (Ibrahim in Arabic) to sacrifice his son Ishmael (Ismael in Arabic)'.

My logic is simply that this is the English language Wikipedia, and the two names in English are Abraham and Ishmael whilst the other two spellings are a foreign language.

The rest of the page already uses the English spelling 'Abraham' to it would seem to make sense to be consistent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.19.55.95 (talk) 15:55, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Questions and requests to find their answers and update the article

This article is unclear about some details regarding the first incident of sacrifice and tradition.

These questions are unanswered: The article mentions that a lamb was given (replaced in place of Ismail) by Allah but had Ibrahim slaughtered the lamp on that day? Was Ibrahim slaughtering animal on this day every year after that incident? If not then who told Muslims to sacrifice an animal on this day every year, and since when this tradition of slaughtering animal is followed? Who told about how much part of the sacrificed animal to be distributed/consumed by whom? (one-third part for the family who sacrificed the animal; one-third part to their relatives, friends and neighbours; and remaining one-third part to poor or beggars)

If anyone has answers to this questions, please update the article (the Origin section) mentioning credible sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by નિકુંજ ભટ્ટ (talk • contribs) 02:09, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Preface

in accordance with MOS:FORLANG: If the subject of the article is closely associated with a non-English language, a single foreign language equivalent name can be included in the lead sentence, usually in parentheses. Since there is no single foreign language that is indisputably most closely associated with it, but rather multiple ones, none are included. The addition of many variations and translations of the name clutters the lead sentence and make it difficult to read. It is adequately covered in the Other Names section. --Ozan33Ankara (talk) 20:30, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Fully agree, and yet we got an ungodly mess in the lead. Now I've moved that horrible, unsystematic mess from there to a paragraph of its own. Local patriots are now invited to explain which pronunciation is used where, and which phonetic transcription corresponds to which! And if someone's grandma from Jebel (or Dagh) So-and-So calls it in a different manner, you can only add her version if she's been published by Brill. Or at least by Taurus. Marhaba. Arminden (talk) 06:41, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

For now I would suggest to remove the entries for Pashto and Tamil in the "Other languages" section as no transliteration or translation is supplied. The names look quaint in their respective scripts but without transliteration or a translation they are rather useless on English WP. AstroLynx (talk) 07:37, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Translations table

I really don't see the point of this table, it is not a list of Muslim ethno-linguistic groups just a bunch of random translations in a selection of languages that don't have a clear connection to the topic. Its inclusion adds nothing to the article. I couldn't find a relevant policy but other articles about religious feasts don't have such lists, and the article would be better off without it—blindlynx (talk) 23:19, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

I agree – what is the use of entries in Pashto and Tamil in original script without a transliteration or a translation. AstroLynx (talk) 08:02, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Isaac/Ishmael

There is a lot of back-and-forth editing on this page with people changing Ishamel to Isaac and then Isaac to Ishmael then Ishmael to Isaac. Please understand that while in Christianity and Judaism the story says that Abraham was asked to sacrifice Isaac, most Muslims believe he was asked to sacrifice Ishamel. I think a lot of well intentioned people are reading "Ishmael" and thinking it must be a mistake, but it is not. This page is about a Muslim festival so the article should refer to the Muslim version of the story. Apriljennifer (talk) 05:07, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Is

Yes 111.119.227.104 (talk) 16:23, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

"Eid al-Adha in the Gregorian calendar"

The conversion chart in this section appears to be wrong. 2600:8801:8106:1B00:F81B:D299:BA6A:6FC8 (talk) 08:42, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Translation

I question why very early in the article names are given “English equivalencies” but when you say Allah you don’t give the English equivalent which would be God. I’m not a Muslim but I feel that we do a disservice to the faith by not acknowledging that the Christian and Islamic God is the same. 2600:387:F:E19:0:0:0:9 (talk) 11:26, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

+1. When translating from Arabic, write "God". Wegesrand (talk) 15:30, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Transliteration: Editor or renderer bug?

Frustrated! I see the symbols for 'ayn and hamza reversed in the article, open the editor and switch them:

translit=ʾĪd al-ʿAḍḥā

Save changes, and they're wrong again! What's going on? Transliterate 'ayn as open to the right, like the Arabic letter 'ayn, and hamza as open to the left. (See the whole WP art. on Romanization of Arabic.) Wegesrand (talk) 15:34, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Testing the {{lang}} template here.

'Ayn and hamza marks in the right order in source; note reversal in rendering:

Arabic: عيد الأضحى, romanized: ʾĪd al-ʿAḍḥā, lit. 'Feast of the Sacrifice'

Reversed in source, rendering reverses them back to how they should be:

Arabic: عيد الأضحى, romanized: ʿĪd al-ʾAḍḥā, lit. 'Feast of the Sacrifice'

Correct order, but not inside a {{lang}} template; rendering reverses them, so it's not the template's fault:

translit=ʾĪd al-ʿAḍḥā

Done.

Wegesrand (talk) 11:46, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

English language article - why title in transliterated Arabic?

Why is this article not titled "Feast of the Sacrifice"? --2607:FEA8:FF01:4E54:4C02:51D0:68CD:8EBA (talk) 00:01, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

I could be wrong, but I believe English speaking Muslims refer to the holiday as Eid al-Adha, so that's why. Margretarson (talk) 14:12, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

True!

im a English speaking Muslim 39.32.7.150 (talk) 16:00, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

"Largest"?

The lead sentence states that Eid al-Adha "is the second and the largest of the two main holidays celebrated in Islam". What does "largest" mean in this context? Holiest? Longest? Most celebrated? I think this wording is imprecise and should be improved. Albany NY (talk) 22:05, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Linking Ismail to Isaac page

I am far from an expert in Islam. I notice that in the lede, Ismail's name links to Wikipedia's Isaac page. Obviously, this story is analogous to the story of Isaac in the Hebrew and Christian Bible, but in those texts it is clearly Isaac who is to be sacrificed, not Abraham's other son, Ishmael. I assume that Islam teaches that it was Ishmael, not Isaac, so I am not sure why this link makes sense? It makes it sound like Ismail is simply an Arabic translation for "Isaac" which doesn't seem to be the case. -KaJunl (talk) 15:39, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

The real sacrifice is Isaac which describes what Lord Jesus will do in the NT for the Children of Israel (Jacob).

Here's the point, Jacob is the son of Isaac and in that event Lord Jesus said that he was sent only to the Children of Israel, Matthew 15:24 to serve as a Lamb, John 1:29,35,36 and to be the Ransom of those descendant of Isaac to Jacob(Israel), Matthew 20:28. 199.189.91.254 (talk) 14:00, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

2024: Summer 🌞🏖️ Eid al Adha

It"s nice to do. Eid al Adha because you can spend time with and family. 2601:86:200:280:883:9986:19C4:CBF3 (talk) 01:02, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

True 2601:86:200:280:883:9986:19C4:CBF3 (talk) 01:03, 7 May 2024 (UTC)